Intelligence historian Alexander Kolpakidi on radio `Komsomolskaya Pravda`.Photo: Victor HUSEYNOV
Who and what is now the tragedy of Volyn massacre
The Polish Sejm on Friday adopted a resolution that recognizes the genocide of the Volyn massacre, in which Ukrainian nationalists in 1943-1944 cut more than 100 tysjacheletij. And installed July 11 as day of remembrance of the victims of the tragedy.
Although a week ago the Minister of defence of Poland, Antonymark pretty surprised the whole world, saying that in the Volyn massacre not to blame Bandera who cut the poles, and…Russia. “The real enemy, those who used part of the nationalist forces of Ukrainians for the crimes of genocide, is Russia”,— he said. And found many supporters in Poland and Ukraine. Say, the offensive of the red Army and the Soviet partisans raids forced (it is not clear what Ukrainian nationalists not just to kill, but to dismember, to saw alive of civilians, children, pregnant women, the elderly.
About who and what it’s used for the version of “KP” said intelligence historian Alexander Kolpakidi.
MINORITIES “FRIENDLY” AND BE DESTROYED
– Alexander Ivanovich how you think, what guided Macierewicz when was talking such nonsense?
– The Minister is distinguished by its scandalous Russophobic statements. But it is, in fact, have voiced that has for many years published in the scientific literature, Ukraine and Poland. In these publications, the nationalist Polish and Ukrainian it is all very well explained, dissected, customized. Say truth in this whatsoever. What are they trying to prove? That the Volyn massacre was provoked by Soviet partisans on the instructions of the NKVD,Stalin and so on. The aim was to incite the poles and Ukrainians at each other on the principle of “divide and conquer”. But all the major Polish historians deny this and say that there is no proof of this theory.
But Petro Poroshenko, a year ago, even signed the law on perpetuation of memory of heroes of the struggle for the liberation of Ukraine” – the “Rezun”, as they were called at Vainiomaki, which not killed.
– Explain what is meant by “not killed”.
– In the Volyn region, there was a real massacre, not figuratively, but literally. Mostly killed with axes, saws, knives, bayonets and so on. The nephew was beheaded the husband, aunt. Because the nephew was Ukrainian and the husband of the aunt – pole. And brought it in the pan, put on the table. And it was a rule. There was a lot of mixed families. It’s kind of unprecedented brutality. Of course, it is possible to find here the explanation that it was the peasants almost without exception. Peasants in General characterized by such cruelty. But this is a weak explanation.
– However, in Lviv, when the Red Army left it, and the Germans have not won, not peasants staged a wild Jewish pogroms. Weakly explains, Yes.
– Then you know what it is – in may 1941, this Bandera’s organization OUN, which is now the main character in Ukraine, created a manual, “the Struggle and activity of the OUN during the war”. The national minorities are divided into user-friendly (all “enslaved” peoples, there Uzbeks,Kalmyks, Tatars) and hostile – Muscovites, poles, Jews. “The Jews” – a bad word, but they wrote it. And then it is written, what to do with them. First – friendly – have equal rights with Ukrainians, they can return to their homeland. But Muscovites, poles and Jews – were to be destroyed. Besides those who defend the Ukrainian government. But in any case, the Ukrainians had to occupy the land of hostile minorities.
WHERE AND WHEN APPEARED THE UPA
And far away in Ukraine in the 21st century. I remember not long ago the mother of one of the deceased Ukrainian military-“cyborg” in response to the question of why he went to fight in the Donbass, explained that they were promised two laborers from there.
– Fascism of the nation, which did not have statehood, is terrible. Many people do not understand that Ukraine is now developing fascism. They think that if there are different parties, if someone says that they are liberals, some are conservatives, then what is fascism? And fascism is the attitude towards other Nations.
By the way, in later instructions Bandera wrote that Jews should not be destroyed. To take them necessary, because they have great influence in England and in America. But you have to evict them from the Ukraine, giving them the opportunity to save a few things from the estate. And when it became clear that the victory of anti-fascist coalition, they have dramatically changed their program. Gathered the so-called 3rd Congress in August 1943, and announced that starting a war with Germany. With the two countries – the Soviet Union and Germany. Why is this included UPA in the number of fighters against fascism? It’s a lie! What do you mean fought? I want to talk about the so-called gepaticeski teams.
– I read about these at vershigory, a former ally of the shell.
– The Germans created the Abwehr group. Small groups of 20-30 men, who posed as guerrillas. They were allowed to kill the prefects, policemen, blow up bridges that had no strategic value. Here they are for this village are important, because otherwise there will not be a fascist armies – no. And hung everywhere ads – a reward for the capture of leaders of these groups. And these groups always had plenty of weapons and food. Other guerrillas who had problems with food and weapons out on them. They promised to share. The result has been lured into a trap and destroyed. In fact, Ian is such a huge gepaticeski squad. I know how much was in Volyn, UPA fighters in General?
– 25 thousand?
– Much less. Now in Ukraine published documents of the commander of the UPA. They were kept in archiving. It turned out, really was about 8-9 thousand, plus the local self-defense units. But it is only a few thousand. A maximum of only 10-11 thousand in the whole of Volhynia. But if 7 thousand policemen went to the UPA, it turns out that most of these fighters – it was just policemen who served for two years as the Germans destroyed the Jews, Soviet POWs, Soviet patriots of Ukraine and so on. After all, no UPA until March 1943, was not. That stuff about October 1942. In the Volyn region appeared only in the spring of 1943 their troops. When he went there the partisans of Kovpak, Saburov, Prokopuk. Soviet partisans. By the way, you know, when the UPA came to Galicia?
– It would be logical to assume that in 1944, when Red army and partisans began to liberate Western Ukraine.
Exactly. The question arises: is it a coincidence or not? I don’t believe in coincidences. Now that the Ukrainian nationalists write about the host of the main body of soldiers of the UPA in guzmancito, auxiliary police in the “Ukrainian Legion”. They write: but the Soviet intelligence officers also served in the administration, among the policemen, too, were Soviet spies. It’s not so much a trick, it’s something beyond the crazy house. How many Soviet spies infiltrated the police? Unit. They say: Kovpaka 750 scouts. But this is not the policemen, it is usually peasants in the mass. 99 percent – they are not civil servants of the administration. Especially not in the Gestapo served.
AAA!!! I understand, all the Ukrainian policemen and uzmanlarca went to serve the Germans in the hope that they will ever be Soviet spies!
AS FORGERS, COUNTERFEITERS…
– Jesuit twisting of history simply knows no equal. Yes, almost everywhere now the former friendly when countries, in the republics of the Soviet Union are not very beautiful in the history of the process. But such insanity, as in Ukraine, there is just no country. Please note, the vast majority of historians virtually all agree with us, as the UPA. They agree that it was an organization that collaborated with the Germans, that Yes, at some point the Germans they were not needed, they are a little bit put into concentration camps, then slightly released and continued to cooperate with them. What is the UPA — a fascist ideology. That the ideology of integral nationalism, which they until 1943 believed their ideology, it is no different from other fascist organizations.
The vast majority of Western European and American historians here in solidarity with us. They committed genocide in Volyn. All of this support. However, there are a international, where has entered more than 20 countries. And led by the poles, they continue to generate this Russophobic ideology, blaming the Soviet Union, Russian. Poles far away from the Ukrainians. Think about it, the Germans killed 5 million poles. The poles always stress that half were Jews. But these were all Polish citizens. Still, more than 2 million ethnic poles. How to destroy the Soviet Union? The maximum of these 20 thousand Katyn (although I and many historians believe that Katyn was the work not of the NKVD, and the German fascists), and after the war the so-called anti-gang – it is the poles themselves fought. The Polish security corps, the Polish Army and the police. Russian did not take part in operations against “forces Narodowych zbrojnych” against “Liberties and nepodleglosti” – heirs with Arbitraily. It was done by poles themselves. There were Russian advisers? Was. And was abandoned by the British paratroopers? Was. Softly-so-called dark. They are there to play a leadership role in the criminal underground.
– In Ukraine claim that the Volyn massacre was a response to ethnic cleansing by the poles.
Actually, if you look without prejudice, positive force in the events in Volhynia one – the Soviet partisans. They saved the Polish population. In most of the Volyn massacre killed about 60 thousand people. But there were massacres in Galicia. There were killed about 30 thousand. There was a massacre in South-Eastern Poland, Podlasie, Podanie, which killed about 10 thousand poles. That is only about 100 thousand of poles. Tricky our Ukrainian brothers now, in order to mix the Polish law on perpetuation of memory of victims of the Volyn massacre, they suddenly like the devil from a snuffbox, published documents about the UPA in Volyn massacre. They imply that there are some negotiations were held between the Polish Army and the UPA. It was a response to the confrontation, which began in South-Eastern Poland. And that, they say, was the so-called Chelm the front where the poles destroyed the Ukrainians. And in response, in Volhynia Ukrainians destroyed the poles. Kindergarten. First, how these documents suddenly took on “the thirtieth year of perestroika”? Secondly, why, if the opposition was there, it was necessary to destroy women, children and the elderly here?
– In Soviet times, this topic is ignored.
Yes. I knew the history of the UPA, reading the Polish military-historical journal. In Poland books out from the terrible pictures – cut off of the body, chipped girl. The poles did not hesitate, wrote about the Volyn massacre. Therefore, they are now themselves so confidently lead. And we have all the time afraid to offend someone. There was a scandal in Soviet times, when the Belarusian delegation of writers came to Kiev, there the Banquet, all Ukrainians were saying: behold, we, the Ukrainian people, you, the Belarusians, gave so-and-so. And there was a great writer Karatkevich, he sat, silent, silent, then says: Yes, however, all you gave us. I remember at camp when they were, all the policemen, all the guards were Ukrainians.
And now the mountain of literature written in Ukrainian, although they can hardly be called, by historians – that it is only the Germans committed atrocities, and the Ukrainians did not participate.
BATTLE FOR THE BIRD FEEDER
– How so? And Babi Yar? A Khatyn, which burned the Ukrainian punitive? No historical memory at all?
Historical memory not only in Ukraine but also in Poland. They acknowledged that the majority of poles went to the Soviet partisan units. Now we have a very fashionable to rehabilitate the monarchy, Russian nationalism, Orthodoxy, autocracy and nationality. Do you know what the name of the Polish units that fought on our side in Volyn? Clearly, Dzerzhinsky – a Holy cause. But the name Wanda Wasilewska, is the leader of the Polish Communists. The name Emilia Plater is rusofobka, who led during the uprising of 1830-1831 Polish insurgents. Tadeusz Kosciuszko revolted against Imperial authority. And so on. That is, the units were called the names of those who fought against the tsarist regime. But somehow none of them thought to call the squad name Muravyov-Vilensky or father John of Kronstadt? Or Purishkevich. Such was the wise policy of the Soviet authorities. They managed these poles to attract under these names, which were names of Russophobes, and they actually saved themselves and the entire region. Among these Polish partisans were not only Polish peasants, but the Polish officers. There were more than those who went to the Polish Home Army. Home army there went bankrupt. History in Poland, as well as in Ukraine, is not history, but pure falsification and zamorachivanie brain. Those who fought for a cause, the real heroes, declared traitors of the nation. For Example, Mieczyslaw Moczar. They say that he is not a pole. Yes, where are the documents? General Rola-Gimersky. And he was a Soviet agent! Prove it. Everything is completely distorted. All who are associated with the people’s Poland, Poland the workers and peasants, declared traitors, the occupant of the henchmen and so on. The Communist Army Ludowa was at times less – about 40 thousand. But they are operations conducted more than the Army – 370 thousand thugs, armed, former officers in the majority.
– Now in Poland the rising tide of anti-Ukrainian sentiment….
– But we for this reason should not deceive ourselves. The poles use the Volyn massacre as a kind of argument from the trough a little to push the Ukrainian brothers. Their fight with the Ukrainians does not negate their Russophobia. Between them now there is some tension, but it is a struggle of the poles with the Ukrainians for the title of the main victims of Russia. And who will be the main watchdog against Russia, comunidad will throw a bone more.
