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“A significant number of problems associated with poor management”
The Chairman of the accounts chamber Tatyana Golikova in an interview with “Kommersant FM”
Competition from the opposition does not directly affect the quality of public administration. In an interview with “Kommersant FM” said the Chairman of the accounts chamber Tatyana Golikova. What management changes are necessary in Russia, she said political observer “Kommersant FM” Dmitry drize in the framework of International economic forum.
— How inefficiently used money today in Russia? In particular, you talked about the money that was allocated for different development institutions is invested, what is the main problem?
— Improperly executed that must be fulfilled, accordingly, a problem in the control system in managing those projects for which, on the one hand, these institutions are, on the other hand, the money allocated from the budget. A classic example, which has recently lead, and that the President actually made a decision is a special economic zone. The figure is very simple, stubborn thing. 122 billion rubles allocated from the Federal budget over the entire period of this project, I believe, 11 years, 18 thousand jobs. But even if the average, 10.2 million rbl. were spent for one job. This is a very expensive workstation. And the number of these jobs, you will agree, too small for the money. But earned 30 billion rubles, and they placed the money on Deposit was sufficient to be effective managers in this part. 25 billion rubles. account balances that are not used.
— The money was allocated, not used?
Yes, Yes. Unfortunately. I’m not saying it’s bad, this institution is not, where it is properly implemented — Tatarstan, Kaluga oblast, Lipetsk oblast — everything is successful, the money invested has taken place. See, I’m just convinced that a significant number of our Russian problems, including with the use of funds is inefficient management.
— The case in humans?
— The case in humans.
— Where to take people? Maybe foreigners call?
— No, why? We have a country and people rich. For some reason we have only people who want to do something, not really allow it. The initiative is punishable.
— How can you be here? We know, Mr. Gref insists that to change the system of public administration.
— I agree with Herman. And for a long time you need to change the control system. We passed a certain stage in 2004-2005, created this three-tier system of governance, but it did not take place in Russia. Obviously, poimena this experience, we are able to redesign the system. But the number of officials exceeds the reasonable limits, and we can.
— Every year we reduce the number of officials, and something we couldn’t do it.
— For us it is visible only those reductions that we implemented in respect of Federal bodies, and we are there on the territory of the subjects, on the territories of municipal formations. It is not the responsibility of the Federal government, but there is also there. It is high time to clean it all because it generates inefficient decisions. This gives rise to inefficient use of money. This whole train goes.
— There is such a point of view that we need political change, we need a competitive system, we need effective opposition, then the state administration will work more efficiently if there is competition.
— Well, you know, I worked at different times and with different parliaments, including in a competitive Parliament, when the majority was Communist. In that period the Ministry of Finance we have always taken difficult budgets. I can’t say it directly in some way tied to the quality of institutions of governance, the presence of competition from the opposition. There is a grain of truth. But not only that determines the efficiency of public administration.
— As we state corporations behave today? How to effectively spend allocated money from the budget?
— We have the different quality of the state Corporation. Everybody has problems, but in principle operate effectively.
— Where the most violations? In particular in public procurement, in the allocation of contracts, when it’s all done?
— Here is the Corporation between them difficult to compare. Let me explain why. Because the 223 the law under which they work, is soft enough, from the point of view of procedures, and of course, there is more procurement from the sole, there is less competition, there is less saving at the auction. It’s all there, totally present. But here we are with the Ministry of economy, discussions focused on amendments to the law. I hope that at least some part will be implemented at least in regard to the work of the Corporation with budget money.
— In General, how do you assess the situation with the development of the budget?
The situation is worsening. And now the feeling at that period of 2016, well, it’s still early, still only half gone, but the feeling is that violations will be more from the point of view of inefficiency.
Yeah what is that.
— And you can answer my question? Here I compared the performance of routine Federal targeted investment programme, where there are direct budgetary funding, 2009 and 2015. In 2009, the performance was 98.2%, while in 2015 — 93%. Here you can explain why the deterioration occurs when they say there is no money in the country, no external funding? That budget gave the money.
— Therefore, lose income, probably, people who distribute that money.
They must look for new sources.
— No, not related.
— Well, on that optimistic note, the call ends.
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